well, i finally put up the site.
the articles are nothing new - bits from wikipedia etc.
but i hope it will persuade even one 'interested' one to avoid the jw's - and even get an existing member to think.
James free -
great website - simple but professional. you do not get the boot in you just state the facts.
The internet will be this org's demise for sure.
Well done.
Point - You mention on your site that it was thought the prophets of old were due for resurrection in 1926? I thought it was 1925. No big deal anyway - the date was wrong in the first place.
anyone who is following my threads knows that i post most everything about my .
wife's loyalty to the wts and the fade i am doing.
i don't post much about my mother.. if you did catch it, i told her several months ago that i had stepped aside as an elder.. she had asked if it was a personal problem, then was it a problem with the boe.. i told her that it was a problem with the organization itself.
I am in a very similar situation, though still an elder.
I have serious doubts regarding much the WT say but at the same time I do not want to hurt family members - my mother is a diehard Reg pioneer, father currently studying. My wife is in - but a bit weaker at the moment.
What is the best way to proceed???? Please let me know when you work it out, I could do with some pointers myself.
But for me - I cannot just continue with the current situation - things must change. When I am sitting at a meeting, out in ministry, even praying - I have a head full of doubts and distractions almost constantly now.
The Sept KM has already been mentioned - you could use this as some leverage.
hi folks.
the annual report will be out in a month or 2 and was wondering what you think the current state of affairs for the org will be.. i am not expecting a decrease - but would love to see one.
as is normal each year a few countries will be showing a decline.. i know in a few congs near me that quite a number of pubs are going out less - a gradual slow down.
Hi Folks
The annual report will be out in a month or 2 and was wondering what you think the current state of affairs for the org will be.
I am not expecting a decrease - but would love to see one. As is normal each year a few countries will be showing a decline.
I know in a few congs near me that quite a number of pubs are going out less - a gradual slow down. They getting weary???
As has been mentioned here a few times - the Internet is the big problem for WTBTS - I wonder as time goes by that a greater more tangible impact will be seen in the annual numbers.
here is something i thought was a bit weird.. tonights local needs was about depression.
not so much in how we can help those with depression, but about getting over it.. the brother used the scriptures about elijah and the widow to show who was relying on jehovah.. he mentioned how the widow was obviously depressed.
then showed how she should have been like elijah.. as i sat there and listened, i realized his underlying message:.
I know an elder who believes that depression does not exist!! He has regularly told publishers to pray more and go out in ministry more to conquer the feelings of depression. He is incredibly insensitive. Some of the publishers that suffer depression have had huge problems, be it illness or bereavement or the like.
One case in particular was a sister that got so bad with feelings of depression and loneliness after her "elder" husband died she attempted suicide!!!! Without giving further details - this was so badly handled it is shocking.
She no longer attends meetings - "not disfellowshipped or anything" but treated as if she was disfellowshipped. Her own daughter "who is in the org" ignores her.
But do not foget - its the most loving brotherhood in the world!!!!!
well the time has come.
i no longer have any motivation to keep up with a fade.
my wife is out, my kids were never really in and we're moving on.
Hi
I am not sure when the view on smoking changed - close to 1973 I think.
Also the people killed at Sodom & Gommorah were thought to be in line for a resurrection back then, but not now. I think the big big point is the 1975 date - in 1973 everyone thought the end of the old system was a matter of a couple of years away!!!
as many of you know i have been looking abit closer at the teachings of the wtbts or is it the fds or is it the governing body, its all abit cloudy now.
anyway my point is this - is it deception (a deliberate attempt to mislead people) or is it that they are misguided (think they are right but are not).
my own opinion - i think they are in the middle somewhere.
<<AlphaOmega>>
You said -- then the deception and self serving crept in with Rutherford's "hostile" takeover of the organisation.--
Can you elaborate on why you call it a "hostile" takeover?? I am on a big learning curve.
Cheers
as many of you know i have been looking abit closer at the teachings of the wtbts or is it the fds or is it the governing body, its all abit cloudy now.
anyway my point is this - is it deception (a deliberate attempt to mislead people) or is it that they are misguided (think they are right but are not).
my own opinion - i think they are in the middle somewhere.
As many of you know I have been looking abit closer at the teachings of the WTBTS or is it the FDS or is it the Governing body, its all abit cloudy now.
Anyway my point is this - Is it deception (a deliberate attempt to mislead people) or is it that they are misguided (think they are right but are not).
My own opinion - I think they are in the middle somewhere. Some on the writing committees, even on the GB must have some doubts about some of the teachings, but in an attempt to keep control they knowingly keep up the current teachings. ""1914 being a prime example"". But I am also of the feeling that much of what is said or printed is done in good faith, with sincerity.
Of course a problem with someone who employs deception is that they can no longer be trusted!!!!
1 thessalonians 5:3 says this - "whenever it is that they are saying: peace and security!
then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape.
" nwt... jehovahs witnesses believe this is refering to our time with a final fulfillment imminent which of course triggers total destruction for nearly everyone and everything.
WTWizard
You make a good point regarding the sporadic use of this verse - depending on world conditions. It is also true that this is a fear scripture - keep pubs on there toes.
I find it interesting that this verse "in context" gives little indication (if any) of an application in our time. And yet JWs clearly identify this verse with 20th / 21st century.
I suppose a question that a few of you have touched on is - Who is the "them" who are destroyed? It must refer to something!!!
1 thessalonians 5:3 says this - "whenever it is that they are saying: peace and security!
then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape.
" nwt... jehovahs witnesses believe this is refering to our time with a final fulfillment imminent which of course triggers total destruction for nearly everyone and everything.
1 Thessalonians 5:3 says this - "Whenever it is that they are saying: “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape." NWT..
Jehovahs witnesses believe this is refering to our time with a final fulfillment imminent which of course triggers total destruction for nearly everyone and everything.
And it has to be said there has been much talk of peace in recent history - But is that what this verse is refering to????
What do you guys think? A 1st century fulfillment???
Give me your thoughts
hi folks.
as many of you will know i am having serious doubts regarding many of the jw teachings and doing some research myself, very enlightening.. my point - .
the bible clearly mentions armageddon, a destructive event, gods war.. jws believe this will happen soon and destroy all the wicked but let the righteous remain.
Gnulite...
I think you may be reading that verse a bit to slowly, but anyway, on many occasions throughout the bible it speaks of "The great and fear inspiring day of jehovah". JWs teach that this is referring to the aforementioned Armageddon.
I am not sure what it all refers to but it could refer to a particular event, either in the past or yet to happen.
You suggest new light on this????? If it was a major shift it would not go down well with the average JW.
I believe the next new light will be to do with 1914. (You heard it here first, well you read it here first)!
